Fangbreaker Rulesets FAQ

[Waring McMarrin]

That works for some people, for reasons unknown it's more sensitive for others. My personal experience was it didn't matter which keys it was bound to, hitting both keyboards at the same time or getting spammy would DC me regardless

That is good to know, thanks for that information.

 

[I_Love_My_Bandwidth]

That works for some people, for reasons unknown it's more sensitive for others. My personal experience was it didn't matter which keys it was bound to, hitting both keyboards at the same time or getting spammy would DC me regardless

Same for me. When boxing on Teek I get Trueboxed if I touch any box's keys within 3-5 seconds of any other. It's pretty annoying.

 

[Dythan]

Every time they mess with the system, the rules change a little bit. I went for years on Phinny without getting trueboxed, unless I had a oh shiz, face roll on the keyboards panic. Then during the last xpac, when it hit live, I would truebox 3-6 times every raid, sometimes without any hands on any keyboard. If your running any hotkeys with multiple commands, or pauses, seemed to make it worse.

 

[Sneed1447]

Same for me. When boxing on Teek I get Trueboxed if I touch any box's keys within 3-5 seconds of any other. It's pretty annoying.

Truebox has always been bad like that for me pretty much forces you plan on VPN the entire time, Great design

 

[Dany78]

So my family can't play on this server since we are all in the same house? Interesting rules set by you guys there...
Anyways, let us 2 box on 1 PC atleast.. give us that. If not, then i'll skip this server I guess.

all TLP servers in recent years launched with truebox rule, and only gets relaxed truebox until PoP.
So if you are not playing due to truebox, you will be unlikely to play in future TLP servers launches as well.

 

[Sennik Jevest]

You seriously changed it from one PC for two toons, back to one PC per toon? This was literally the only and I mean ONLY saving grace or redeeming quality of this terrible idea for a TLP. Jesus DBG, y'all are so out of touch with your player base it's actually unreal. This has to be deliberate sabotage, like y'all want TLP to fail so you don't have to do it anymore. That has to be the reason.

As a player since beta for 26 years and habitual TLP reoffender. This will be the very first time that I can confidently say, I will not be playing. RIP EQ. I don't think I can give this dev team anymore chances to redeem themselves.

Someone drop me that meme about not letting the door hit me on the way out, I won't be back.

 

[Sennik Jevest]

TBH you had it better the first time. The Aradune only 2 computers per person thing would have been nice if people weren't stuck in the lvl 60 era for 6 months at really weird lvl ranges.... The original post saying 2 accounts per PC would have helped the server out a lot until truebox is over in PoP. That correction may have killed the server IMHO. This server needs boxers during that long stretch until people hit 60 and can start raiding that content.

Can confirm, this change is the reason I will not be playing.

 

[Sennik Jevest]

Fangbreaker looks awesome, and the name is cool.
All of the rules look like they are going to be fun, and probably going to mean the server ends up with super-low level of toxicity.

FTE is good, I played on Oakwynd for a while, and agree with everyone there, it really is ok.
Resource Hunter will be cool. Heaps of people complaining that they are not going to travel to a different zone for a bonus. Good for them. If I am levelling up and see there is a bonus a few zones over, I will definitely head over for more exp, or more rares or whatever. Sounds like a great way to inspire people to be a little more mobile and a little more open in their approach to levelling.
Legacy is fun, and with the level locks, there should be time for slow people like me to get a couple of characters up to max and get a bit of a bonus once 51 unlocks. And heirloom is helpful for picking up epic pieces while you are levelling other characters.
And restricted true box should be fun as well. Should cut down on krono farmers and those annoying people who farm all the epic pieces they dont even need.

This will probably be a low pop server, but it is going to be much loved and enjoyed by the few like minded people who are there.

And all four of them liked your post, your server almost has a full group.

 

[Deadlyne]

exactly, I used to play with my family as well. if they do this system we wont be able to play either

and normally the TLP starts at end of April? Like I said, I dont think they intended people to play this... its to keep the other TLP alive

You USED TO play with your family doesnt mean you still do. I dont see any reason you cant play with your family in these rules.

TLP is normally announced and named in April. Server usually starts in May. Just like this one.

 

[Deadlyne]

So my family can't play on this server since we are all in the same house? Interesting rules set by you guys there...
Anyways, let us 2 box on 1 PC atleast.. give us that. If not, then i'll skip this server I guess.

I dont see anywhere it says you guys cant play from the same house. It says per person not per household.

 

[Dooby dooby doo]

I dont see anywhere it says you guys cant play from the same house. It says per person not per household.

Tell me how they distinguish someone playing 4 toons versus a husband/wife playing 2 toons each? It's not possible to prove. So, either they won't enforce the rules properly, or they will suspend innocent people. There's no way to effectively enforce these rules without one of those 2 things going wrong.

 

[Zansobar]

Tell me how they distinguish someone playing 4 toons versus a husband/wife playing 2 toons each? It's not possible to prove. So, either they won't enforce the rules properly, or they will suspend innocent people. There's no way to effectively enforce these rules without one of those 2 things going wrong.

This isn't a court of justice they don't have to "prove" anything before taking action against your account(s).

 

[Tyranthraxus]

The best part of Truebox code is when they drop the truebox requirement, but leave the key detection in place for a month because they are separate codes and they forgot to turn it off.

 

[Demetri]

For the record, my two kids were running one character each while I was running three (at the time). I was also ignorant to what Truebox code actually triggered off of. Had I know that I would have stuck us all on a VPN just so their experience would have been better.

The POINT is people shouldn't have to do that. Why can't a family enjoy playing on a new TLP without getting kicked off? And what do other players have against it? My god some of ya'll are some seriously jaded jerks.

You got banned? Or just temporary kicks? The former seems like a definite flaw, the latter? An annoyance that requires learning the mechanics of it - FFS I've gotten myself kicked while ONLY I WAS ON with the Truebox code when I was spamming too hard during some incarnations of it. Annoying but nothing gamebreaking.

And not "a jaded jerk", quite the opposite - I'm the type that recognizes sacrifices and some inconvenience occurring sometimes in order to make a healthier less toxic server

 

[Demetri]

Because you're actually using key repeat software to send the same command to two PCs. If you execute any command on multiple characters from the same IP with no delay, it assumes you're using software to replicate keystrokes across clients. Either add a random delay to your key replication, or don't press them at exactly the same time if you're really using a keypad.

Actually one more note that I will add for legitimate Trueboxing when using number pads - is if you use a "mirrored sequence" too many times it seems to flag you.

i.e. precisely the same timing between two machines over and over - like hitting 1 on box 1 and 2 on box 2 with a 1 sec pause or so over and over with almost zero variability. (AKA similar to a broadcasting software after a while if you were using a key replication delay in it with zero variability)

 

[Demetri]

Tell me how they distinguish someone playing 4 toons versus a husband/wife playing 2 toons each? It's not possible to prove. So, either they won't enforce the rules properly, or they will suspend innocent people. There's no way to effectively enforce these rules without one of those 2 things going wrong.

From the old forums and comments of folks that got suspensions and were commenting on the forums, they did an in-person check before taking action.

 

[I_Love_My_Bandwidth]

You got banned? Or just temporary kicks? The former seems like a definite flaw, the latter? An annoyance that requires learning the mechanics of it - FFS I've gotten myself kicked while ONLY I WAS ON with the Truebox code when I was spamming too hard during some incarnations of it. Annoying but nothing gamebreaking.

And not "a jaded jerk", quite the opposite - I'm the type that recognizes sacrifices and some inconvenience occurring sometimes in order to make a healthier less toxic server

FWIW, I wasn't calling you a jerk.

They were temporary kicks. It is what it is. My kids and I play other games together. But not EQ.

 

[Demetri]

FWIW, I wasn't calling you a jerk.

They were temporary kicks. It is what it is. My kids and I play other games together. But not EQ.

Eh, there has only been a few people on the "at least give it a try" side of the coin - not hard to consider myself as potentially in the list, especially since I read similar tone from the other examples, but shrug.

But remember that most things are going to have growing pains, even positive end results. (i.e. to move into a completely different category investing rarely doesn't have short-term pain in getting the investment rolling - but if all goes well, that investment pays dividends [often literally]) Most things that ultimately improve or address an issue have short-term complications and/or annoyances - the thing of importance is to make sure that the long-term benefit is gained from those complications.

And mind you, working around them IS also a possibility in some cases - like in this case, for the "bring the whole family" concept, kicking around 9 more months on Teek or similar, and swinging in during PoP (or perhaps playing lightly to prepare for the PoP+ era) would completely mitigate any anxiety from the systems that bother you.

As-is, IMO - with the slow unlocks with "stopping points" - I can't imagine going 100% full rabid hardcore mode level of play - it looks like it will be most fun to play in smaller chunks until its out of the "Accelerated Start" phase where it retains the Truebox mechanics. With that and the new zones/classes available for day one of this TLP will definitely be a new TLP experience, that to me, promotes a less obsessive approach, which is perfect for my wife and I as our interests have expanded since Teek so we've got a limits to how much time we can dedicate to any specific one.

 

[Exmortis_MT]

As someone who tried this, I empathize.

I finally got my kids to try EQ on a brand-new server. Teek. We got our characters created. Logged in. Grouped up. Started killing in the newbie area in Kelethin. BAM! Trueboxed. grrrrr. We log in again. Group up. Start killing. BAM! Trueboxed again. My kids, frustrated, decided to go play Minecraft and have shown not one iota of interest in EverQuest.

Truebox code is a great concept with incredibly POOR execution.

They did seem to fix it, after all the posts and replies and a new patch for the time (few weeks) before Oakwynd went no truebox I did not get disconnected once. So Since before hand it would happen several times in a play session it went to zero. So they seemed to fix the issue.

 

[Demetri]

They did seem to fix it, after all the posts and replies and a new patch for the time (few weeks) before Oakwynd went no truebox I did not get disconnected once. So Since before hand it would happen several times in a play session it went to zero. So they seemed to fix the issue.

There definitely seems to be some sensitivity adjustments that they do sometimes in either direction. An old friend on Phinigel that 3 boxed would have absolute hell with Truebox code for a few months then glorious for other stretches.